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Making the Transistion to Inclusive Services
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Posted by: dgalvez03
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5/2/2003 3:57:11 PM
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quick little update... donovan is in school now and doing great so far! i am amazed and releived :)
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Posted by: naturegirl41
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8/11/2002 3:12:28 PM
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Hi i have a 5 year old son with autism...extremely high functioning...and perhaps that's why i have never heard of a self container? what is this - will someone explain it for me? My son has attended a special ed preschool since we noticed developmental delay - at about 18 months... and i have had nothing but great experiences with the 2 school's he attended - one in illinois was jayne shover easter seals...and here in florida, he attended the special ed pre-k at the local elementary school. Now this year he will be spending part of his day in special ed and part of his day in regular kindergarten classes...i have no idea if this will work or not.... my son is really really bright, and has sort of hyperlexia - he is almost obsessed with reading and writing - but his behaviour is not perfect...he can become very upset if he is intent on doing something and not allowed to do it. he is constantly busy all day drawing and writing books, so i worry that he won't be able to follow directions in regular classes.
What do you think? Has anyone been in a situtaion like this with their child?
And Autisma...I completely understand what you are saying about how the children learn visually. That is how autistics think - in pictures - and by watching normal behaviour they learn normal behaviour. My son picks up everything from those around him. I have to watch myself...he even picks up my bad habits. That is why i didn't want my son in a class with all different levels of disability...because if he is around "normal" kids then that is what he will imitate, but if he is around kids in really bad shape...and he is the one in the best shape....well yes he would unlearn the good behaviours.
But then again...if it's a behaviour issue, then what can you do? I don't know he situation you are in really. Why did they move your son from the regular classroom?
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Posted by: naturegirl41
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8/6/2002 11:31:11 AM
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I wanted to add the following message I posted in the arc.org ed. topic there, as it still pertains to my son's inclusion problems. Cheryl from that MB posted a response for which I replied as follows:
"Transportaion problems can be solved by adding more buses for the disabled. Each student has to pay a fee (comes out of the total ed. budget) anyway.
That is not a valid excuse to put my son in selfcontainer! They had him successfully included for 8 years!"
When I said classes based on IQs, I meant it for all students in a regular public school. No diagnosis based ed. But IQs based and behavioral issues/special needs taken into consideration for special ed. kids and general ed.students. Having teams based on IQ score levels would allow all students to be placed appropriately, plus allow group transitions. They can also have classes for students who are very high acheivers hierarchially, which would encourage them to excel as well.
Indl transitions from 6th grade is unnecessary. They have not improved IQs of any students drastically. And Republicans know it! They want accountability now because the parents have told them so!!
Each class should include anyone whose IQ is below 70 and are qualified for special ed. You can't separate special ed. kids and educate them in seclusion to begin w. Many of these kids have behavioral/communication issues. No doubt about it. Unless you try to keep them in inclusion from the beginning, there is no way, these kids are going to have an exposure to normal behaviors from normal peers. Benefits to inclusion are long term and family valued based in a free society like ours! Please don't hide your disabled child and put him/her away in a box-car selfcontainer!
THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THIS AS WELL. SOME CASES CAN'T BE EDUCATED IN A REGULAR CLASS! Each case has to be dealt in a manner which works for the child, rather than trying to accommodate the needs of the majority of the so called normal kids! Because, all the excuses I have heard from people is "how keeping a child in a regular class room will affect the children who don't have disabilities". What about MY CHILD AND OUR FAMILY VALUE OF FULL INCLUSION AT ALL LEVELS FOR THOSE WHO CAN TOLERATE? KEEP THEM IN A SELFCONTAINER?
Not automatically, like they did for my son after 8 years of full inclusion!! It is unfair.
THERE ARE PARENTS WHO WANT their CHILD IN A SELF CONTAINER. BUT I DON'T.
I don't believe my son will catch up w his peers in any setting! For me, inclusion is a form of behavioral modification thru environmental modification principle. My son would watch other normal kids and learn to keep his hands and feet to himself OR learn to wait in line or imitate those behaviors that are helpful to him!
There should be only one category for special ed. No matter what the DX is! That is "MR level" based on IQs! My son would require assistance all thru his life. Therefore, what they have to do is to provide an aide for him to shadow, use adaptations to general curricula, keep him in the same room w other normal students. He is not bothering anyone student there. It is the adults who don't want him there!
If educating normal students is more important, they should have thought about this problem when he was young w more behaviors than now. Inclusion was their idea from the beginning. AND MY SON REALLY REALLY BENEFITTED FROM IT IN MANY WAYS!
Inclusion has been cited as the best practices in policy making partners' program as well. May be they should take that aspect away from their program now. IL Council on DDs has to make sure that the SDs, do every thing in the first place to ensure continuity of Inclusion for those cases proven to be successful! But They don't.
The dept of HS and special ed. dept act like they don't know each other! Or there is no connection at all! It is heartbreaking to see my son to be secluded now w other kids who have disabilities for he is losing all his good behaviors and learning behaviors like slapping his head, etc., from watching other kids in his selfcontainer. What a waste of time here~8 years of great efforts to modify his behaviors now gone down to drains. Shame on them!
The regular ed. teachers can use all the technology they have now and post their lesson plans in advance on SD MBs or on their web site, so that the parents, students and special ed. teachers get their copies and work ahead for adaptations to teach special ed. case load.
So, please don't tell me, it is not possible or imply that I am not caring about regular ed. students. If regular students get a lot of help from their SDs, so should the special ed. students. They have equal rights in my HO.
Place of services make a major difference for all students. Inclusion is the best way in the long run, unless you want to send my son to a group home or an institution. Self containers are training disabled students for that purpose.
There is no guaranttee that my son would read, write and speak fluently, if I kept him home or in selfcontained class room! The same thing w inclusion as well.
But the major difference is that my son has picked up normal imitative behviors from normal kids and was doing well. I could take him to places w/o any feeling of him being disabled. Now he acts more disabled and unable to forget his leanrt maladaptive behaviors as he is going to the same "GOD forbidden" selfcontainers! Yes. GOD forbid the self containers! I hate them.
Segreggation is not in my blood!
Sorry if these notes are offensive to you in anyway! But I mean every word of what I wrote about selfcontainers. Discrimination of disabled students starts at SDs!!!
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Posted by: autismas
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12/12/2001 6:02:13 AM
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Hi all! I am a mother of a child who has severe autism and is 11 yrs old now. This is what I posted last year under the Inclusion topic:
"Successful INCLUSION started for my son at the age of 0-3 yrs of age. I never let the providers to put him in a self-container w other kids who have disabilities. That is because my son w severe autism is a visual learner. He imitates good behaviors from "normal kids or normal peer models" around him very well. Start including all the kids from very early on w full support services appropriately, you will see how the transitions can be made w/o much problems. I also have to add that it depends upon the child's behaviors plus the staff training and expertise in handling him. Funds are THE MAJOR BLOCK IN IMPLEMENTING INCLUSION FOR ALL OUR SDs! PLEASE HELP IN THAT AREA."
Now my son is in 6th grade, but not fully included. He is pulled out to self container due to his behaviors. You may want to read all the posts under this MB topic
"Education~Dr. Mike~Please help" posted by me to understand what is going on w my son currently. And if you have any suggestions or ideas, please post them down for me here. Thanks so much! Here is the link:
http://www.thearc.org/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000092.html
Have a great week all of you! Happy holidays!
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Posted by: autismas
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12/12/2001 5:05:02 AM
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This message is directed toward momofanangel...
Can I tell you a little bit about myself? My name is Gary, I am 62 years old, and I have had Cybral Palsy all my life. It does not bother me anymore. I see where you are coming from when you say that you don't know where to go to get supports for you young daughter and your not sure exactly what her rights are. I go all over the state of Missouri to numerous conferences and committee meetings that discuss the rights of people with disabilities. Missouri has a program called Partners in Policymaking. Maybe you have heard about it? Maybe your state has this same program? If you don't have this program and you are intrested in finding out more about it and what it can do for your daughter and other people with disabilities in your state and local area, get ahold of me and I would be more than happy to give you all the information on it that I can. Never give up on your daughter. My family and myself have been in the same position that you and yours are in. In my opinion, the best place for you to start to help your daughter would be to find out exactly what her developmental problem is. If you don't know how to go about finding a doctor or institution that could diagnose your daughter than you can contact your nearest Regional Center and tell them your situation. If you can't get ahold of them let me know and I will find the number and location of the Regional Center for your state. I wish the best to your family. Good Luck. Please consider what I have told you and write back if you need any further advice.
Sincerely,
garystevens41
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Posted by: garystevens41
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12/10/2001 11:28:10 AM
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Hello,
I am a social worker with the University of Southern Mississippi- Institute for Disability Studies. We offer programs and support groups for parents and children with special needs. We have a Special Kids Network and an Autism support groups. We also have a Single parent support group. We are involved with early intervention for children 0-3 with developmental delays and we also have a resource center with books, toys etc. for children with special needs and parenting information.
Please check out our web-site and contact us for more information.
http://www.ids.usm.edu/
Sincerely,
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Posted by: pattiwatti
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7/11/2001 11:56:32 AM
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I'm trying to find some help advocating for my daughter. She's eight years old and does not receive any real services from school. She has no diagnosis but functions according to the tests the school administered at about 9 months. I am willing to fight for her till my dying days but I"m not comfortable with the law. I need to know specifically what rights she has so I don't go off have cocked and have nothing to back me up. Thanks for any help
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Posted by: momofanangel
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4/27/2001 8:41:41 AM
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Thanks for the opportunity to share more information about by son who has Down Syndrome. He got his first job and he is still in high school. He loves all the friends he has made and especially that pay check each week. His goal was to have a job just like his friends while still in school. The high school and a local adult service agency are coordinating his job coaching. Great transitioning. Remember to learn about person-centered planning if you haven't heard about this process. My son led his case conference in the ninth age and it really has been the map to his future.
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Posted by: upwithdowns
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2/21/2001 7:34:43 PM
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Thanks for the opportunity to share more information about by son who has Down Syndrome. He got his first job and he is still in high school. He loves all the friends he has made and especially that pay check each week. His goal was to have a job just like his friend while still in school. The high school and a local adult service agency are coordinating his job coaching. Great transitioning. Remember to learn about person-centered planning if you haven't heard about this process. May son lead his case conference in the ninth age and it really has been the map to his future.
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Posted by: upwithdowns
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2/21/2001 7:30:44 PM
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